Agressors : Tempête de feu

Salut,

Dans le soucis que tout le monde joue avec les mêmes règles, je remonte un point de règle qui me semblait mal appliqué au D2. Disons plutôt que chacun faisait à sa sauce. Du coup, ce n'est pas clair.

La règle Tempête de feu indique que les Agressors "peuvent tirer deux fois s'ils ne sont pas déplacé à leur tour."

Pas d'ambiguïté sur ce qu'est le tour. Par contre, j'ai entendu que cela signifie que les Agressors doublent leurs tirs (et jettent le double de dés).
À mon sens, c'est une erreur. GW aurait indiqué que les Agressors doublaient leur tir. Tel que je le comprends,les Agressors tirent deux fois, ils font donc deux séquences de tir (désignation-résolution-retrait). À la manière des Riptides HailOfFire V7. Et d'autres joueurs le jouaient comme ça.

Du coup, on décide de le jouer comment ?

on le joue tel qu'écrit : tu tires deux fois séparément. Il n'y a écrit nulle part qu'on double les tir, c'est un raccourci trompeur.

Le texte exact (nécessaire pour répondre à toute question de règle, je le rappelle) :

Fire Storm: Models in this unit can fire twice if they remained stationary during their turn (including when firing Overwatch).

Donc effectivement, c'est double séquence pour tirer avec les agressors.
Notez aussi que c'est uniquement s'ils n'ont pas bougé dans leur phase de move qu'ils font du double tir en Overwatch (et pas juste ne pas bouger dans la phase de tir adverse, ce qui arriverait tout le temps sinon)

Donc si ils se font charger t1 par le joueur 1, pas de double overwatch?

Exactement.

Merci pour les réponses rapides !

‘If this model remains stationary or moves under half
speed in its Movement phase (i.e. it moves a distance in
inches less than half of its current Move characteristic)
it can shoot its turret weapon twice in the following
Shooting phase (the turret weapon must target the same
unit both times).

It seems from AM FAQ that the intent is just double the shots at the same unit when you are able to fire twice from an ability. Wording is the same.

Fire Storm: Models in this unit can fire twice if they
remained stationary during their turn (including when
firing Overwatch).

not completly, you can fire twice in overwatch and there is no specification for the same target, not the same in my opinion.

I agree with Sven, to me there is a difference between « shooting twice in the shooting phase » and « a weapon can shoot twice in the shooting phase ».

For Punishers, it means the weapon can shoot 2 times the gatling during its shooting attack (the rule does not allow you to make 2 shooting attacks).
For Agressors, a unit that shoots twice means making 2 shooting attacks and therefore 2 sequences (which means de facto that you can do them at different timings in the shooting phase).

If you take the example of Kastellan Robots, their wording changed from 2 shooting phases to double shots. Imo GW could have made a correction of this point (or should, to simplify this kind of things).

throst a écrit:I agree with Sven, to me there is a difference between « shooting twice in the shooting phase » and « a weapon can shoot twice in the shooting phase ».


For Punishers, it means the weapon can shoot 2 times the gatling during its shooting attack (the rule does not allow you to make 2 shooting attacks).
For Agressors, a unit that shoots twice means making 2 shooting attacks and therefore 2 sequences (which means de facto that you can do them at different timings in the shooting phase).

There isn't a difference really as there is no rule (except stratagems) that allow you to select a unit twice in the shooting phase and have two 'sequences'. It states 'another unit' quite clearly. You interpret that shooting twice means you get to select the unit twice but there is no rule supporting that at all.

If you take the example of Kastellan Robots, their wording changed from 2 shooting phases to double shots. Imo GW could have made a correction of this point (or should, to simplify this kind of things).

Agreed. I sent the querry to their rules-email a while ago hopefully it will get addressed in March.

There isn't a difference really as there is no rule (except stratagems) that allow you to select a unit twice in the shooting phase and have two 'sequences'. It states 'another unit' quite clearly. You interpret that shooting twice means you get to select the unit twice but there is no rule supporting that at all.

Ynnari, for exemple, can make two sequences of shooting in a single shooting phase. It's the same for Hellblasters, diying in shooting phase with plasma and shoot again with Standard of Ancient.

Same wording for Exocrine and tyrannofex. They can shoot two times in shooting phase. So 2 sequences