[VOTE - TAU] Coordinated Firepower

Hey guys,

We have gotten a million of requests already for how this is going to be FAQed at the ETC this year. Since finding a consensus is hard the captains council will have to bite the bullet on how this is going to be played at the ETC.

Special Vote: The Interaction of "Coordinated Firepower" and Unit Wide Effects
Duration: Wednesday November 11th to Tuesday November 17th, 23:59 forum time.

Background: There has recently been discussion on how to play the Coordinated Firepower rule from the new Tau Codex in conjunction with the Tau Signature Systems, Dark Strider's Structural Anaylzer rule, and the Cadre FireBlade Volley Fire Rule. Rules text for each pertinent rule is below.

Coordinated Firepower

Whenever a unit from the Hunter Contingent selects a target in the shooting phase, any number of other units from the same detachment who can still shoot can add their firepower to the attack. These units must shoot the same target, resolving their shoots as if they were a single unit - this includes the use of markerlight abilities. When 3 or more units combine their firepower, the firing models add 1 to their ballistic skill

Command and Control Node, Multi-Spectrum Sensor Suite

"if a model with a (C&C/MSSS) does not shoot in the shooting phase, all shooting attacks made by other models in his unit gain the (twin-linked/ignores cover)"

Puretide Engram Neurochip

"At the start of the bearer's movement phase, choose one of the following special rules: Counter-attack, furious charge, monster hunter, stubborn, or tank hunters. The model with the Puretide Engram Neurochip has that special rule until the start of his next movement phase."

Darkstrider - Structural Analyser

When Darkstrider targets a non-vehicle enemy unit with a shooting attack, that unit suffers -1 T against hits from that shooting attack - this applies to Darkstrider's entire unit's shooting attacks, not just his own. Note: While DarkStrider cannot be part of a Hunter Cadre, he could join a unit from a Hunter Cadre. This will be covered in a separate vote below.

Cadre Fireblade - Volley Fire

If the Cadre Fireblade, and every model in his unit, remains stationary in the movement phase, their pulse rifles and pulse carbines each fire an additional shot in the shooting phase. Note: this would require all models benefiting to be stationary, so if "his unit" is decided to be the entire unit re: coordinated firepower, then *all* of them would have to be stationary for this rule to work.

Vote 1: Which option do you feel is how it should be played. Please vote based on how you read the rules. While there is some allowance for RAI since this is a bit muddy in some people's opinion, please do not vote solely because you feel one way is "too powerful" or "they need the help".
A) The Signature Systems and similar unit wide effects transfer via the coordinated fire rule. See vote 1a if this option is chosen for restrictions on how they transfer (this will cover target locks and GC split fire).

B) The Signature Systems and similar unit wide buffs do not confer outside of his own unit. The only thing that units firing as part of his attack gain is the potential +1BS and ability to share markerlights.

Vote 1a: Only applies if option A is chosen above. Please vote your preference regardless of how you voted above:
A) Unit Wide effects apply to all contributing units, even if they use target locks to split fire as “fire as if a single unit” and the tau chips state “his unit..”

B) Units firing at the target of the coordinated firepower attack gain the buffs through coordinated firepower, however, any models or weapons that use target locks or the Gargantuan Creature "Split Fire" rule will not benefit from the bonuses of the cooordinated firepower attack on shots that are not directed at the primary target.

Vote 2: Does the "Structural Analyzer" rule Dark Strider provides work with a coordinated firepower attack since he is not a "units from the same detachment" per the coordinated firepower rule?
A) Yes, if he joins a unit from the Hunter Contingent, he becomes a part of the unit and as such his special rule is a "unit wide effect" per Vote 1A and would confer.
B) No, he is not part of the hunter contingent and as such a unit he joins is not "a unit from the same detachment" per the coordinated firepower rule, so his special rule would not confer via coordinated firepower.

Vote count:
1. A (6) B (10)
1a. A (2) B (14)
2. A (6) B (10)

Buffmander does not boost outside his unit, dark strider structural analyser does not work with coordinated power attack.

Isenheim a écrit:Pour faire simple, et comme on est à 1 mois du rendu des listes, je propose qu'on applique le vote franco-français au D2 si pas de réponse avant vendredi minuit.

El Présidente a écrit:L'échéance pour la remise des listes des 3 D2 est fixée au dimanche 3 janvier 2016, à 23h59. Toutes les équipes des différents D2 devront rendre leurs listes sur la même time line, par soucis d'équité.
Les équipes avec des listes mal écrites avec un mauvais format ou fausse s'exposeront à des pénalités dans les points de goal average. Les changements d'unités ou de type d'unités (passage de motard à réacteur dorsal, par exemple) ne sont pas accepté après le 3 janvier 2016.

Par ailleurs, tous codex ou dataslate paru après le dimanche 27 décembre 2015 ne sont pas accepté.

Salgin a écrit:Car de toute évidence, la réponse donnée n'était pas la réponse attendue sinon, on se conformerait au vote.

madBiker a écrit:

Salgin a écrit:Car de toute évidence, la réponse donnée n'était pas la réponse attendue sinon, on se conformerait au vote.

Si le rulecounsil avait "attendu" une réponse, il aurait choisit de la donner lui-même plutôt que de faire voter !
Ce que j'essaie de vous dire, c'est qu'on ne peut pas prêter de mauvaise intention au conseil sur ce vote, car il avait le pouvoir de décider la réponse et qu'il a préféré s'en remettre à un vote.

Quid de l'application du Mont'ka des Enclaves à paraître ?
Car s'il colle aux niouzes actuelles, autant dire que plus personne ne jouera Empire Tau et qu'on aura la paix avec ce vote Very Happy